Yes George, I am still researching Cicero.
What good?
Well if Cicero links to Plato and from Plato to Socrates … That is good enough for me.

I see you picked up on “torned”.

… torned out to be “forensic oratory” in the essay “Moral Goodness” by Marcus Tullius Cicero.

Yes George it did begin as a typo … An actual error on my part. Then … Another eureka moment George … Another Eureka … “Torned” really does express what it is I am trying to say here. Subtle George … Very subtle … Another story … And yes George I will tell you … Some day … Hmmm some rainy day …

” I believe, of course, that if Plato had been willing to devote himself to forensic oratory, he could have spoken with the greatest eloquence and power; and that if Demosthenes had continued the studies he pursued with Plato and had wished to expound his views, he could have done so with elegance and brilliancy. I feel the same way about Aristotle and Isocrates, each of whom, engrossed in his own profession, undervalued that of the other.”

Source:Book I. Chapter I. Page 4
DE OFFICIIS.  Marcus Tullius Cicero.  Translated by Walter Miller.
Loeb edn.  Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1913.

Where did I find this on the internet?
At the URL:http://www.constitution.org/rom/de_officiis.htm

So George … now I am on a mission.